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	<title>Comments on: Bar chart with a non-zero baseline? &quot;Never&quot;! says Biz Intel Guru. Here&#039;s why&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Read</title>
		<link>http://bzintelguru.com/featured/nonzero_baseline_barchart/comment-page-1/#comment-4435</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of your line chart, which is intending to show the unemployment trend, I don&#039;t think you should be plotting the direct unemployment values. It would be far better to plot the change in unemployment, using 2007 as your zero base. This removes the &#039;visual lies&#039; (with the non-zero base) and confirms the fact that the objective of the line chart is to show the trend (change in unemployment between 2007 and 2012).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of your line chart, which is intending to show the unemployment trend, I don&#8217;t think you should be plotting the direct unemployment values. It would be far better to plot the change in unemployment, using 2007 as your zero base. This removes the &#8216;visual lies&#8217; (with the non-zero base) and confirms the fact that the objective of the line chart is to show the trend (change in unemployment between 2007 and 2012).</p>
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		<title>By: John Munoz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Munoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

The reason I think non-zero based line charts are acceptable when non-zero based bar charts aren&#039;t is simple-a bar that is 2x as tall as the bar next to it is interpreted to be twice the value. However, for a line chart, the comparison between each segment of the line isn&#039;t so natural. If it&#039;s my goal to show a trend over time, and that trend starts at 1 million, I&#039;ll be leaving an awful lot of white space on my line chart if I start at zero, and my trend may be very muted if all the time-series value are near 1MM.

Here&#039;s a post from Edward Tufte, the Godfather of modern Info Viz, on the subject:

&quot;In general, in a time-series, use a baseline that shows the data not the zero point. If the zero point reasonably occurs in plotting the data, fine. But don&#039;t spend a lot of empty vertical space trying to reach down to the zero point at the cost of hiding what is going on in the data line itself. (The book, How to Lie With Statistics, is wrong on this point.)

For examples, all over the place, of absent zero points in time-series, take a look at any major scientific research publication. The scientists want to show their data, not zero.

The urge to contextualize the data is a good one, but context does not come from empty vertical space reaching down to zero, a number which does not even occur in a good many data sets. Instead, for context, show more data horizontally!&quot;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00003q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
-- Edward Tufte, October 18, 2001&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>The reason I think non-zero based line charts are acceptable when non-zero based bar charts aren&#8217;t is simple-a bar that is 2x as tall as the bar next to it is interpreted to be twice the value. However, for a line chart, the comparison between each segment of the line isn&#8217;t so natural. If it&#8217;s my goal to show a trend over time, and that trend starts at 1 million, I&#8217;ll be leaving an awful lot of white space on my line chart if I start at zero, and my trend may be very muted if all the time-series value are near 1MM.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a post from Edward Tufte, the Godfather of modern Info Viz, on the subject:</p>
<p>&#8220;In general, in a time-series, use a baseline that shows the data not the zero point. If the zero point reasonably occurs in plotting the data, fine. But don&#8217;t spend a lot of empty vertical space trying to reach down to the zero point at the cost of hiding what is going on in the data line itself. (The book, How to Lie With Statistics, is wrong on this point.)</p>
<p>For examples, all over the place, of absent zero points in time-series, take a look at any major scientific research publication. The scientists want to show their data, not zero.</p>
<p>The urge to contextualize the data is a good one, but context does not come from empty vertical space reaching down to zero, a number which does not even occur in a good many data sets. Instead, for context, show more data horizontally!&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00003q" rel="nofollow"><br />
&#8211; Edward Tufte, October 18, 2001</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://bzintelguru.com/featured/nonzero_baseline_barchart/comment-page-1/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the non-zero baseline is misleading, and that the line graph helps demonstrate trending better, but could you explain more why the non-zero baseline is OK for line graphs.  It seems like it could be just as misleading as a bar graph with a non-zero baseline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the non-zero baseline is misleading, and that the line graph helps demonstrate trending better, but could you explain more why the non-zero baseline is OK for line graphs.  It seems like it could be just as misleading as a bar graph with a non-zero baseline.</p>
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		<title>By: John Munoz</title>
		<link>http://bzintelguru.com/featured/nonzero_baseline_barchart/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>John Munoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments Dr. Kerin and Dr. Robbins.

Alex, you&#039;re absolutely right about not adjusting for inflation. I can&#039;t wait to check our your insights on that.

Naomi, I didn&#039;t know about that setting in Excel. Thanks for pointing it out. I won&#039;t ask why you know about it. I&#039;m sure you never made a 3D graph in your life ;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments Dr. Kerin and Dr. Robbins.</p>
<p>Alex, you&#8217;re absolutely right about not adjusting for inflation. I can&#8217;t wait to check our your insights on that.</p>
<p>Naomi, I didn&#8217;t know about that setting in Excel. Thanks for pointing it out. I won&#8217;t ask why you know about it. I&#8217;m sure you never made a 3D graph in your life ;></p>
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		<title>By: Naomi B. Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi B. Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice that the bars don&#039;t touch the back wall of the chart in the chart labeled &quot;3d bar charts are misleading.&quot; That is an option called gap depth that can be changed in Excel. Therefore, some 3d bar charts are read from the back, some from the front, and for some like the one in this example, neither is true. That provides even more reason to avoid the 3d charts and stick with simple 2d charts when bar charts are appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice that the bars don&#8217;t touch the back wall of the chart in the chart labeled &#8220;3d bar charts are misleading.&#8221; That is an option called gap depth that can be changed in Excel. Therefore, some 3d bar charts are read from the back, some from the front, and for some like the one in this example, neither is true. That provides even more reason to avoid the 3d charts and stick with simple 2d charts when bar charts are appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Kerin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Kerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job, while not pertinent to this chart, many economic charts, even from places like The Economist insist on showing monetary values on a time series chart without adjusting for inflation.

Small increases from year to year may look like a positive improvement, whereas in real terms, the revenues (for example) are falling because of inflation. I discuss this a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.datadrivenconsulting.com/2010/02/tableau-public-cost-of-raising-a-child-controlling-for-inflation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. One of my pet peeves I guess..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job, while not pertinent to this chart, many economic charts, even from places like The Economist insist on showing monetary values on a time series chart without adjusting for inflation.</p>
<p>Small increases from year to year may look like a positive improvement, whereas in real terms, the revenues (for example) are falling because of inflation. I discuss this a little <a href="http://www.datadrivenconsulting.com/2010/02/tableau-public-cost-of-raising-a-child-controlling-for-inflation/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. One of my pet peeves I guess..</p>
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